Those “Cult” Members Over There

I should have known it was only a matter of time before some “Baptist preacher from Texas” (according to the news sources) was going to say something disparaging about Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney being a “Mormon.” Seriously, who didn’t see that coming?

Especially as a fan of David Archuleta!

Actually, Mormons seem to be a hot topic of late (is that because of David or because The Book of Mormon is on Broadway?).  Whether we’re talking about their “funny underwear” (a subject that came up on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher”) or if they’re “genuine Christians,” or if they hate gays (thanks to Proposition 8), they seem to be causing a whole lot of anxiety in society.

And who’s creating the biggest anxiety of all? Why, David Archuleta of course!

If only he knew how his fans are bellyaching and second-guessing and waiting for the terrible, AGONIZING, heart-wrenching news that we’re so sure he’s going to deliver to us all: that, yes, because of his adherence and loyalty to that faith for which so many of us know absolutely nothing about, he’s going to leave us for TWO WHOLE YEARS to go on a “Mission.”

“Dang those cult members over there for depriving us of The Voice!”

Not that there is any hint whatsoever that this other shoe is going to drop, but “Dang those cult members over there for even suggesting the POSSIBILITY that we’ll be deprived of The Voice! Oh, the Agony!!!”

Okay, in all seriousness (and I hope you LDS fans know I’m being completely tongue in cheek up to this point), when we insist that David is getting ready to take off on a mission, when he has not even suggested such plans to us – not in any of his tweets nor in any of his vlogs – are we really any better than that “Baptist preacher from Texas” speaking out of turn and out of religious bigotry?

Because this insistence on “mission rumors” – which have no basis in any kind of reality, especially when such “rumors” got started by some HACKER – seems steeped in religious ignorance.  Most of us know nothing about how LDS missions function, who gets to go, and when devotees embark on such missions.  And yet, we speak about such things as if we know what we’re talking about.

Until David tells us that he’s making such plans (and I see no reason why David wouldn’t give us the heads up if he’s planning to disappear from the public for two years), it makes no sense to speculate on his religion.  Let the boy live his life.  I mean, it’s not like he needs rescuing from a “cult” (or is that what some folks seriously believe?).

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Posted on October 10, 2011, in public image. Bookmark the permalink. 88 Comments.

  1. ” In an appearance on CBS’ “Face the Nation,” Cain (who was joined on the show by Gingrich) argued that while it was fine to question candidates on their principles and values, he did not support getting into “the specifics of your chosen religion.”

    “We’re not running for theologian-in-chief. We’re running for President of the United States of America,” he said.

  2. Source: http://www.cbs19.tv/story/15653627/mitt-romneys-religion-questioned-by-evangelicals. My take is someone must be worried about Mitt- to hit below the belt like that, Very poor taste.

    • Shanny in Australia

      Last election….i saw over and over again comments online where people were saying they wouldn’t vote for Romney because he was Lds, even if they agreed with his policies.

      • Shanny: A lot has changed since the last election. Recent polls suggest that Romney’s religious affiliation is of little or no consequence to most voters.

      • I think Romney’s religion still matters to many (Jeffress and Fischer illustrate that point), but now the economy matters more.

      • Recent polls show that 22% of Americans wouldn’t vote for a Mormon, making them less popular than anyone except gays and atheists: http://www.gallup.com/poll/148100/Hesitant-Support-Mormon-2012.aspx

      • cc halo:

        The anti-Mormon numbers are down considerably from just a few years ago amongst the voters that matter for Romney in the primary: conservatives. Also, in most head-to-head surveys, Romney is currently beating Obama. It’s still early of course, but the Kennedy comparison is noteworthy, and I think we will see resistance to a Mormon candidate continue to fall just as it did with the country’s first Catholic president.

        Also, it’s interesting to note that those least likely to vote for a Mormon according to Gallup are Democrats.

      • I agree most voters in the USA have much bigger worriers than someone’s religious preference. Even vocal right wing religious spokespeople don’t necessarily speak for the masses. Fortunately the ballot box is private.

  3. Bravo, Herman Cain.

    As for Mormonism being a “cult,” I strongly disagree. Cults are characterized by their members being isolationists or threatened with harm if they choose to leave, etc. Certain break-away “Fundamentalist Mormons” qualify for that moniker, but not mainstream Latter Day members.

    I also think its false to lay the blame (or the credit depending on your point of view) for Proposition 8 in California on the Mormon Church since it never spent a penny on the proposition. Individual members did, but the church as an organizational entity did not. In the end, it came down to the voters of the state, including people all races and ethnicities, many of whom attend a wide variety of churches, synagogues, and mosques. Mormons just happen to be an easy target for the media.

    It’s strange that so much blame and so many false accusations are being heaped against the Mormon Church at a time in the history of the United States in which its population is almost identical to that of the Jewish population, another group that has been vilified and victimized throughout its history. According to the Pew Forum Statistics on Religion, both Jews and Mormons comprise 1.7% of the U.S. population. Are Americans traveling down the same nefarious road as the Europeans in the 20th Century? God forbid.

    http://religions.pewforum.org/reports/

    FYI: I’m not Mormon.

    • Technically, it’s not true that the official LDS church never donated to Prop. 8. The church was fined by the California Fair Political Practices Commission: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20007269-503544.html

      “[The church’s] involvement in the California same-sex marriage debate this year began with a letter from church President Thomas S. Monson asking California Mormons to give their time and money to pass Proposition 8. Monson’s letter has been read repeatedly in Mormon churches, and opponents of the forthcoming initiative have credited LDS members with giving the Yes on 8 camp an edge in donations and volunteers.” –latimes.com 10-9-08

      It seemed to come pretty close, in many opinions, to threatening their tax-exempt status. The proposition was losing by a pretty comfortable margin until false last-minute ads were run, and it’s estimated that 40-80% of the funds were donated by Mormons.

      FYI, I think it’s pretty astonishing to compare the “victimization” of Mormons to the holocaust where 6 million Jews were killed. In history, there was some persecution of Mormons, largely due to dislike by the local populations of their practice of polygamy, and of taking over the political power of the area, but Brigham Young and the LDS church also have the Mountain Meadows Massacre to answer to, where 120 settlers including many women and children were killed by Mormons masquerading as Native Americans.

      I’m not sure what modern day false accusations are being “heaped” upon the church, other that the usual “they’re not Christian”. I heard that a lot about my former church growing up–I guess it gets dished out by a certain faction, but annoying as it was, I didn’t consider it persecution.

      • Thanks for posting that CBS article. I had not heard about the church being fined. $37,000 in contributions is pretty small potatoes in the overall scheme of millions spent on both sides, but it’s obvious the church erred in its reporting duties. No doubt church leaders from many denominations encouraged their members to lend their time and their money to Proposition 8. People I know who live in California and are LDS told me at the time that Mormon churches in California were not directly contributing. The article is unclear as to where in the hierarchy of the church the money came from. I suspect it came from higher up the ladder rather than at the local level.

        I obviously wasn’t very clear in my analogy of Mormons to Jews judging by your reaction. I wasn’t comparing the level of persecution. I was comparing the level of vilification, which it turn can lead to persecution. In Europe Jews were unjustifiably blamed for nearly every ill in society, which led them to being used as scapegoats by the likes of Stalin, Hilter, and Mussolini. Any group that is singled out could become the next scapegoat. That is all I meant.

        I’ll let someone who is a Mormon and more knowledgeable comment on their victimization over the years. I do know that President James Buchanan sent federal troops to the Utah Territory in the late 1850’s to quell a supposed rebellion. Some historians have seen this as a tactic to distract the nation from the Democrats stance on slavery at the time by getting them to focus on those nasty polygamists out west instead. That is a perfect example of the scapegoating I’ve been referring to.

      • I never did agree with the LDS church’s involvement in donating money to Prop 8 in CA. Many relatives and friends of mine that are gay were very unhappy with that. I am glad they were fined for it and I hope that they learned from it. Thanks for posting that article cc halo.

      • Thanks Katheryn for clarifying your comment. Now I understand your analogy better. There are quite a few potential scapegoats in our society.

        cchalo, I found your comments on Mormon history irresponsible. Generations of many more than “some” Mormons have an acute awareness of the persecutions their ancestors endured. Entire books have been written by scholars about the subjects you dismissively treated with a sentence. What are your qualifications as an expert on Mormon history?

      • http://www.pbs.org/mormons/themes/problem.html

        Talk to me a little about the myth of innocent persecution. It’s large in Mormon life and imagination. What’s at stake? Why is it held onto?

        In my own reading of Mormon history, I’ve been struck by how much has been invested by historians in the idea that Mormons suffered unfairly and unjustly. Everyone agrees that the government went too far. There’s no defending everything that the government did. There is, however, a way that is also fair to look at the Utah church in the 1850s, ’60s, ’70s, ’80s as openly defiant of the rest of the nation and posing a real, genuine challenge about what kind of political entity would be contained with the United States in the form of Utah. In that sense there’s a real conflict going on, … so that when we focus only on the suffering imposed on families whose husbands went to jail and so on, we’re not really taking a look at the big picture. What did it mean when the church said, “We openly defy the laws of the United States”? What kind of challenge is that? And what does it mean to claim the legal right to do so? Did it mean that Mormons claimed that they were not bound by the rules everyone else had to live by? That’s what many anti-polygamists thought, and that’s what they acted on.

      • Sorry, forgot to put quotation marks around the whole thing.

      • cchalo,

        I am mindful that I’m a visitor to this blog. Coming here to this discussion today actually reminded me why I don’t go to fan forums anymore. The drama.

        So, this is not really the platform to go point by point through Mormon history to tell you of the unjust persecution of the church that started from the very moment Joseph Smith innocently told a preacher that he had seen a vision and did not let up until Joseph and his brother were murdered and the entire city of Nauvoo had to be evacuated in the middle of winter under threat of mob pillaging. The governor kept armed forces in the city until they could leave. They could not properly prepare or sell get money for the homes they left behind. Thousands died due to exposure that very winter and of course over the next few years as they crossed the plains. This is not to mention the others who were raped, murdered and whose homes were burned before they went to Nauvoo or the extermination order the Governor of Missouri issued on them. I can’t quite explain that away as a myth.

        Yet, at the very moment of being expelled from Nauvoo, the United States government (Colonel Kane) rode to Winter Quarters and asked for 500 men to help fight in the war against Mexico. After this very government had refused to give them redress, had not protected their women and children or their civil liberties, they asked this of them and the Mormons said yes.

        The church in the last half of the 19th century was in a very different mindset. They were in Utah territory, at that time not even a part of the United States. Polygamy – blah. Don’t understand it. But the government continued to do everything it could to disenfranchise and break the power of the church. Again, the back and forth would show mistakes and both sides, but read some of the articles on that link above.

        At any rate, just wanted you to know that the persecution was real. My ancestors endured it. It’s not a fairy tale and I’m not talking about men being imprisoned because they had more than one wife. It is a part of our culture and our history and it’s what makes us a little frustrated that it still continues today.

      • ”It is a part of our culture and our history and it’s what makes us a little frustrated that it still continues today.”

        I just gonna say , that i respect your beliefs in your Mormom history legacy , but ”still continues today” ? i mean really? where ? to each situation their own proportions ….. to call a political/religious discussion , persecution is way to far of the reality …..non offense intended btw …i just think is a little exaggerated, i can see LDS members very successful everywhere , so i really not sure what your talking about?.
        Seriously even the gypsies are today more persecuted or discriminated that any LDS member in the world and tbh many time the ones putting barriers with the rest of the world are the more radical Mormons themselves , not the inverse …so keep the things in the right perspective please. 😉

      • Oh, LOL, don’t worry, I keep it very much in perspective. Thankfully the governor of Missouri rescinded the extermination order just a few years ago.

        Obviously mormons are not discriminated against by organized groups like they were in the past except by Fundamentalist evangelicals, and not just in the public arena. My son in Kentucky has people answer the door with a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other.

        Thanks for letting me drop by and visit! I’m off . . . ..

      • I agree that the quote I posted, and most of the articles on the pbs site, don’t cover the earlier history in Missouri, etc. And also, that the question, which assumes persecution is a myth, is unfair. She does give a reasonable answer, though.

        Persecution isn’t ever going to be just–but I think the point in posting the excerpt is that there are real and complex reasons for the treatment Mormons received, and a many of the grievances against them were real. Hopefully most Mormons are a little more sophisticated than the ones on that link where they basically say it’s because the devil made them do it, or that they just don’t have a clue why.

        Even the murder of Joseph Smith was predicated by his destruction of the newspaper and printing press of a former Mormon church leader, who accused him of polygamy, making moves to “marry” his and others’ wives, and trying to set himself up as a theocratic ruler. I admit, that as an outsider, it’s hard to understand the depth of feeling, especially about someone like Smith. But whatever his “peccadillos”, he didn’t deserve to be killed.

        Some of the things you mentioned don’t qualify as persecution, though. The handcart disasters had more to do with bad planning on the church leader’s part, for example.

        I don’t buy that there’s “persecution” today. But that’s a discussion for another day.

      • Oh dear–answering the door with a gun isn’t very polite, but I wouldn’t call it discrimination 😉

  4. Shanny in Australia

    HG, I feel every bit of your frustration over the mission angst….but I have said over and over again I think there is no decent evidence indicating he is going on a mission and plenty indicating he plans on staying with music…I’ve said it so much that I have come to realise I ain’t gonna change anyones mind – folks are gonna think what they’re gonna think. So the way I deal with the continuing angst over it is to find the balance between ignoring the angst and having compassion for those feeling miserable over it.
    Having said that, and speaking from an Lds perspective…I don’t think their worry is from from religious bigotry and ignorance. Even Lds members who know the processes are not privy to what David does in his private life, so can give only the vaguest of educated opinions on the subject. I think for the most part people worry because they want David in their life and perhaps have a personality or habits which leads them to worry easily.
    As for your comment about people thinking David belongs to a cult….you bet your bottom dollar there are plenty who do but that is just another topic you’ve just got to ignore and get on with your life despite. (There was a hilariously biased newspaper report here recently about mormon missions but maybe I’ll save that for another time. lol)

    • “…I don’t think their worry is from from religious bigotry and ignorance.”

      Thank you, Shanny. I find it offensive HG that you feel that those who believe David may be leaving are religiously ignorant. For me personally, it’s as simple as believing it wasn’t some HACKER but a sibling who was tweeting about a mission. For the record, it doesn’t matter to me if he goes or doesn’t go. Whatever makes him happy.

      • Whatever!

        I’m more offended by folks who think they should be relying on the words of a HACKER (whether he’s a brother or not, which is still based on SPECULATION) instead of relying on David himself.

      • Sorry to offend you then. Guess it would’ve happened either way because in your mind I’m either an ignorant bigot or some idiot who believes David’s sibling sent a tweet.
        And what if David does go on a mission? Are those of us who thought he would still ignorant, bigoted, or just plain idiotic?

      • We’re done with this discussion.

      • That’s fine. I guess it’s okay for you to insult someone with a different opinion than yours since it’s your blog.

  5. Thank you for this post, hg.

    Speaking from an LDS perspective, like Shanny, I don’t feel that David is planning to leave on a mission any time soon. This would be a very tough thing to keep secret. (Even tougher than his “relationship” with C.)

    The source of my concern is another M word…

    • Great post hg. I was hoping you would mention those remarks from that “southern evangelical christian preacher”. I just can’t tolerate any type of discrimination from so called “evangelical christian preachers”. That includes discrimination against minorities, homosexuals,and religious beliefs. Any organized religion could be considered a “cult.” I am a democrat and a non practicing Catholic. I thought Jon Huntsman, a Mormon republican candidate had a good response http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20117881-503544.html
      “The source of my concern is another M word…” Could not agree with you more utahmom. That is where the concerns lie for me. That and no label or no management.

  6. Wow! A fan makes a flyer and almost sells out a venue…. Wish I lived in the states to be able to support David in this way…. I can’t even get people to press a button to vote one time from over here…. Let me see… how many years before I can retire and move to the states (coz of David)…… Off to look at homes in Utah, LA…..

    http://archuletafanscene.com/

  7. Thanks HG. As a mom of a current Mormon missionary I am sort of in the minority for actually wanting David to go. Actually, rephrase, I want him to do what is right for him and I trust he will do so.

    But if he does go, this is my wish: Tweet: “Had cereal for breakfast. Off to Bolivia for 2 years. See ya’!”

    OR

    Tweet: “Is in Missionary Training Center”

    Also tongue -in – cheek.

    🙂

  8. “I want him to do what is right for him” is exactly my thought, and I’m not Mormon. I think the evidence is overwhelmingly that he won’t go, but if he did I would not be shocked and I’d be a fan when he returned.

    As for the article, I am a democrat who will vote that way in the presidential election, but if I were unhappy with my party’s candidate, the “cult” crack may make me take a better look at Romney as a potential choice. That sort of narrow-minded comment by the minister turns me off.

  9. I’d also vote for an atheist or “a gay” if she ( 😉 ) were the right person for the job.

  10. I sensed from HG’s post that she is tired of all our “M—–n” talk, lol

    So, how about tour talk? 🙂

    I did a little research on the Turning Stone venue at Verona, NY
    David will be performing in their Showroom–>
    “The Showroom is an 800-seat cabaret style theater featuring some of the best known entertainers in the world.”

    From the seating chart posted, it looks like there are only 37 vacant seats left & apparently a few VIP seats are left also. So David has done a good job in filling this venue with little or no publicity.

    Here is a picture of The Showroom at Turning Stone. It doesn’t show the stage but does show the tables & booths:

    http://goo.gl/KWIJM

    • Interesting seating arrangement. I take it if you’re traveling alone, you may be placed in a booth with folks you don’t know. 🙂
      I need to make up my mind and decide if I’m going or not.

      • Well, I have VIP & my daughter is going with me. VIP ticket holders get to sit at the tables in front of the booths.

        Being placed with someone you don’t know wouldn’t matter at a David Archuleta concert. David’s fans who are total strangers somehow just bond together. 🙂

      • Ooh, D-rat! I would love to meet you, so do let me know if you decide to come to Turning Stone! 🙂

  11. . I just can’t tolerate any type of discrimination from so called “evangelical christian preachers”.

    So that means you can tolerate discrimination from others? 😐

    Just let me say , that i was raised Protestant in a very Catholic country where we were the minority and the rare ones, yep ‘The Cult’ , others people beliefs were not the center of the messages we received every Sunday, we were happy child, that were not afraid to talk about the last days in biblical terms and that were perfectly capables to have good friendships with others people in despite of his faith , political views and sexual preferences, what i know about other religions came from a very large library we had in my house full religious and political books a long with Universal literature, my parents were not afraid to let us go a read and make our own conclusions and yes i’m still knowing more and more about each day ….so by now my opinion about Mormonism ( and other beliefs , including my own base Faith) and Republican (or Political in general ) tendencies are not the result of one particular opinion coming from a well or not repute Pastor, because for us is not like that that the True works. Right or wrong the fact that this Pastor spoke his heart out about what he thinks of Mitt R beliefs is non a pallid comparison to what persecution and discrimination really means , is just a Religious Person giving an opinion and a Network making the big deal of it … man right now a Pastor gonna be executed in Iran because he is refusing to denied his faith in Christ and another in Chine was (still) under arrest because his Biblical studies became more and more appreciated by the population…so last time i checked LDS people still having a very healthy life in US and many free countries , not by one mile the same that the Jews , not way persecution/discrimination and not different to the opinions some people ( Atheists include) have about the protestants, Jehovah Witnesses, Adventist in some others countries or clearly even in US

    Now saying this and in my position of minority , immigrant , protestant (still a minority in Quebec) and open mind conservator person
    1. I don’t see all this candidates with happy eyes, too much arrogance and insensibility on their speech ….not a representation of Christian Love btw, besides that God has being used to promote radical views … but then THIS ARE POLITICS, i don’t feel any of this guys is worthy enough to be in that Important role … of course i’m not US citizen , but the us president is always important for the world so 😉 .
    2. So who gonna be the right one? in my opinion the arrogance coming from some leaders of all this churchs LDS or MegaChurchs or the ones proclaiming being Christians is not different to the one coming from some ‘Very Smart ‘ Atheists or New Era super cool tendencies or Masonic groups that want to rule the world …… so i hope they just pick a good moderate human being , and good administrator free of obscure agendas and radical religious influences ….yeah i know is almost impossible but still my wish .
    3.Now about David ”M” thing, i care less and less about that, he’s gonna do what he’s gonna do and that is his problem and personal decision , like fan my responsibility ( because i want) is to support his musical career …. that’s it …his spiritual path is his problem (at least in theory) at this point , and is kind of odd that some fans ask to his others fans to support the ”M” decision in order to become a ”Good Fan’ :|, i don’t think i should support anything different to his music, specially if i realized that he’s going to convert people to something i don’t believe or at least to something i don’t totally share, but then I can wish him a good happy life , i hope that is enough to don’t lose my ”Card Stan”.

    Sorry for the bad grammar and the long post HG .

    • Tibitibi – I understood every single word, and they resonated across many levels. Thanks for the candor, and fearlessness in sharing.

    • I think I meant that some “evangelical christian preachers” are hypocrites IMO. Like the preacher that called mormons a “cult”. They do not practice what they preach and that is why I can’t tolerate them if they are like that. I actually am not fond of the Christian right or the tea party movement. lol It is just my opinion. It does not mean that everyone is going to agree with me. I can honestly say that I do not care if David goes on a mission or not. It is his music career not mine. I am just a fan.

      • I still think the old saying of never discuss religion or politics has meaning. I am out of this discussion because everyone has differing opinions on both topics and no one is wrong.

      • I surely don’t know enough about this Pastor to call him hypocrite, but you right double standards were, are and will be a problem for ever, not just for one specific groupe, but for any religion i can tell you, since i’m sure you can find in each one people who believed their faih, people who live their faith and people who just use their faith to disqualify others people blessings, lifes and possibilities of Salvation …i will say additionally that nobody is exempt to have occasionally some of this ‘attitudes’ … .the real problem is when hypocrisy become a recurrent and permanent mark in the personality and blind us to see the big picture of the magnificence of God and His love for all his childrens.

      • Sorry Marie, i just realized that i sounded very preachy 😦 ….hugs? 🙂

      • Hey Tibi. No problem. Like I said everyone is entitled to their own opinions. lol hugs back. You actually did raise some valid points that I agree with. The one thing I will not change my mind on is I wish David would sign with a label and professional management soon. lol I do realize that not everyone agrees with that. I going to watch DWTS and The Sing Off tonight. I hope Cher is in the audience of DWTS. lol

      • I just turned CNN on and what is John King talking about. The Rev. Robert Jeffress and the debate of if Mormons are Christians or a cult. I can’t get away from this topic. LOL

      • I am actually a fairly liberal Democrat who will probably vote for Obama but would love to vote for Hillary Clinton. I love Hillary. I remember when Obama was questioned about rather he was a Christian or not or a Muslim in the last election. He still is by many. Politics can be very unfair.

      • Not sure where this post will appear but it’s in response to Marie’s comment re. Hillary. I like her too. During the last campaign, I waited in line for 4 hrs just to shake her hand, lol.

      • desertrat I am a little jealous you actually met Hillary. I really was a big supporter of Hillary.

  12. I have a question… rhetorical in nature… inquiring minds and all that…

    Why do many LDS leaders/members ally themselves or choose to declare themselves members of a political party whose core base/constituents do not believe them to be ‘Christian’? They say politics make strange bedfellows, but foregoing a deeper analysis, I personally cannot fathom why Romney or Huntsman or any LDS leader/candidate for higher officer thinks the umbrella of the Republican party is going to be all that welcoming for them. This is the same party that had within its ranks the leader of the Southern Baptist Convention, who back in the early 80’s declared that ‘God Almighty did not hear the prayers of a Jew’, (I still SMH) and here we go again – the ugly underbelly of this party being exposed, and it turns me off their message, and politics in general more and more. No political party is perfect, but if LDS members are sensitive about how they are perceived, their history et al – why align with a party that appears to have some deep seated problems accepting your religion as being sufficiently ‘Christian’?

    Things that make me go, hmmmmmm…

    • The evangelical right is just one segment of the Republican party, it doesn’t represent the majority, nor the core base of the party. It’s growing strength is a fairly recent development, historically speaking. I imagine the values that Romney and Huntsman have mirror the values of the Republican party best.

      • It has proven to be a pretty powerful and still influential ‘niche’ within the party – one whom all potential candidates hold their noses and court in the run up to primaries and major elections. The evangelical wing has held sway within the party for a number of years, starting w/the Falwell Reagan era of influence, and has co-opted the image of the party for better or worse. If Romney stands a chance of getting a whiff of a nomination, or real weight thrown behind him in the run up to 2012, he too will have to hold his nose, and court and get the support of this ‘niche’ in that Grand Old Party who have expressed doubt regarding his bona fides as a ‘Christian’. Will he hold firm to his integrity, or will he cave/capitulate to this wing of the party he will need to most likely secure frontrunner/nominee status? I watch with bated breath, and plenty of popcorn.

    • I live in the least religious part of the country – The Pacific Northwest. Issues of religion playing a role in politics is foreign to my experience and my way of thinking. Nevertheless, there are plenty of people of all faiths where I live, and I simply cannot remember an instance where one political party or another tried to make hay of it. There are Evangelicals as well as Mormons, Hindus and Catholics, Russian Orthodox , etc. in my neighborhood. Somehow we manage to respect one another and avoid conflicts. What a concept! I honestly don’t think that pastor speaks for very many Republicans these days, as is evidenced by the Gallup poll cc halo posted above. I heard on the radio today that Bill Bennett, an ultra-conservative, condemned what he called the religious bigotry of the pastor the next day at the very same conference.

      In the long run, I think this discussion will be healthy for the country. Just as we have moved past the notion that a Catholic or an African American cannot be elected president, so too will the idea that a Mormon cannot be considered for the highest office in the land seem absurd.

    • I’m an independent, i.e. swing both ways. So, making decisions requires some research. From what I can tell the evangelical right is a small segment of the Republican party but because they are often outrageous they get a good deal of press. I have to fess-up to not being objective about this group because of childhood taunting related to my religion and I’m not Mormon.

      This post and the comments have been interesting for me to read and seem to reflect how we all carry opinions related to our exposure. I’m originally from Michigan where the name Romney, and by association the LDS church, is respected by many because of Mitt’s father (a popular governor). I can’t wrap my mind around the “cult” idea because of my personal bias which associates Mormon with words like business, religious, responsible. The idea of Mormons not being Christian seems just weird. Wonder if the guy who made the comments has ever seen the MTC at Christmas.

  13. Oh btw, this tweet is from yesterday,and i’m not sure what that means, but looks like Mr DA’rch is already doing his job?

    jessicadaniels Jessica Daniels
    Just found out my cousin Jacob went on missionary rounds with @DavidArchie! That’s so sweet!

    • What are “missionary rounds”?

    • Uh oh, is that a bad sign?

    • Going from door to door? Or something related to the actual M?

      • Young men often accompany the local missionaries as they work. When my son was a teenager and went out with the missionaries he did everything from teaching the gospel to those interested to helping someone move a refrigerator.

        And no, they are not officially called on a mission when they do this. I am assuming that this person’s cousin Jacob is a full-time missionary wherever David is or has been recently and that he might have gone out to work with them.

        I also assume David has been doing this for a long time.

      • Thank you!

    • He probably went out to some pre-set appointments with a missionary in his area. Happens all the time. Members of the local congregation are often invited to go along with the missionaries to meet those people who are interested in learning more about the religion. I’ve done this too. It’s not a sign that he’s preparing for a mission.

      • It sounds like another good reason he wouldn’t go on a formal 2 year mission. If he goes along now and then, when someone is investigating the LDS church, what could be better than having David Freaking Archuleta walk in the door and not have to do all that door-knocking?

      • Oh OK, i just thought the tweet was interesting to share, i was really curious about. So thanks for the explanation. 🙂

  14. I was reading all the comments on my way home from work, and was glad to see that Tibi made the comments that I wanted to say. There are unfortunately narrow minded bigots in every religion and BOTH political parties. You cannot lump everyone together. Mitt Romney and Huntsman are Republicans because the platform of the Republicans match up better with their beliefs and goals than the Democratic party.

    • It’s funny that Romney (and Utah Senator Orrin Hatch) now have to criticize Obama’s health care reform that follows the principles they themselves proposed years ago.

  15. i read it is jazzy birthday happy birthday to her!. well david lives in califorina now, he just visits utah but he really doesnt live there anymore but that place will always called home. i hope he doesnt go on a mission.

    idolfan

  16. Hm. I studied cults a bit when I was young; I have family members who participate in one. These are common characteristics as seen from a biblical perspective:

    Biblically a cult can be defined as those that have changed, left out, or added to the fundamentals of Bible doctrine. Fundamentals such as…the Bible is God’s infallible & only Word, there is only one God, the Trinitiy is the Godhead three-in-one, Jesus is deity & He alone atoned for our sins (so we don’t have to work for it).

    These are some traits I’ve read from an apologetics perspective, & that I’ve seen first-hand with my family (ALOT):

    (1) Excessive & unquestioning commitment to its leader. MMembers are told that the church/leader alone speaks for God.

    (2) Questioning, doubt and dissent are discouraged. Members are told how to think, act and feeel.

    (3) Members are encouraged to socialize only with other members, and cut ties with those who disagree, even family.

    (4) A “persecution complex”- “We’re the only true church; it’s us against the world”.

    (5) Members might feel unnecessary guilt or shame about never being able to measure up, do enough, be enough. Like no matter how hard they work, it’ll never…be enough.

    And that’s all I got. For anyone who cares. lol.

    • Sounds like my Catholic upbringing, each and every one of them.

    • I think these are quite accurate, but I bet your family members wouldn’t see themselves in these.

      • Nope, they sure don’t. But hey…at least they’ve made it clear which relationships matter the most to them.

    • I’m a Mormon 40 years and the points above definitely do not relate to what I’ve experienced. Excessive and unquestioning commitment? No. Most do admire and look to our Church leaders for wisdom and guidance, but it’s not unquestioning. We’re not told how to think, act and feel.

      We do socialize a lot with one another coz we like the people, but we are never told to cut ties with others, especially not family unless they are truly toxic–dangerous, threatening, abusers, and such like–and that would just probably be advice from the bishop if you asked. It would be to keep you safe, and you would be free to act on it or not. We believe in ‘free agency’ as a divine principle–the right to make one’s own choices.

      We don’t have a persecution complex. We do recognize what those Church members before us went through and are aware that despite being devout Christians, we are sometimes cast as weirdos.

      The Bible states that ‘by their fruit ye shall know them’. Jesus says, ‘do men get a fig from thistles?’ Meaning, it’s one thing to say you believe this or that, but the Savior advises us to look at how the person lives their life. But all this is often dismissed because our beliefs differ somewhat from what is common in most Christian churches. Many observe what upstanding citizens many active members are, but somehow that counts for little despite what Christ said.

      I don’t feel that I can never measure up. I feel inspired to try to improve myself and by the good people I see around me who live the religion well…like David Archuleta, for one.

  17. So changing the subject a little, the Japan concert is this next weekend, and David and his band members still mute about rehearsals ….i hope he going with them, Japan is really a market to pay attention, so i wish David , don’t ruin this opportunity following bad advises from not too good managers with cheap strategies …. still thinking that some person around him is the one controlling even the set list…. #callmeparanoiac? :/

    • Yeah, I dunno what the deal is with him & Japan. Unless he was asked to downplay it because it’s on a military base where only certain ppl are allowed to attend, & they don’t want a frenzy? He doesn’t seem overly excited about it, either…

  18. And..if you’re the voting type and don’t care about embarrassing David by calling him “hot”, please vote here: http://www.q102.com/pages/hot-boy/ Because Jesse McCartney should not be beating him in this category. Tks. The End.

  19. where is david, no tweets from him today, the japan trip is this week, i think he leaving tomm? yeah no band tweets from rehearsals, that is seem odd? maybe david isnt going after all, like i post before he doesnt seem thrill going in the Vlog last week thought?

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  21. i don’t know if you heard but i read a rumor thay david already had left for japan, i hope he took his sister jazzy and went to japan on her birthday today, what a awesome brithday gift if david is there?

  22. The Okinawa concert is listed on David’s official site, so yeah he’s going.

    Some Malaysian fans knew about David’s Japan concert (albeit the original one scheduled for August that was cancelled due to a typhoon) long before the rest of us. David’s drummer, Steven Robinson, let it slip during the Malaysian stop of the Asian tour that David was at that time recently confirmed to appear in Japan and that he (David) was super excited about it.

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